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mniermann
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« on: July 01, 2015, 02:27:14 PM »

Greetings! S.r. Robinson and I are heading up a Preferred Pronouns spreadsheet for the college debate community next year. This is for debaters, coaches, and judges---if you think you will be at a tournament in the next season, we encourage you to fill it out! If all goes well, eventually a spreadsheet for the high school circuit will be created.


Attached is the link to the Google form where you can fill out your info. With specific regards to safety and fluidity, we have also created two codes that you can enter in place of a PGP. AIR = ask in round, and PND = prefer not to disclose. You can also simply leave the slot blank.
Also for safety reasons, editing will be limited to S.R and myself. If for some reason you can not get the form to work, or if you have any questions/concerns, you can email srobinson.debate@gmail.com or niermannmegan@gmail.com.


Please share with other college debaters and coaches!

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1SWE5W2RBs9PEwyXjKdh3rgcTjKsj5Xz103C-qlf5u7g/viewform

I am also attaching the link to the final viewing spreadsheet. Here is where S.R and I will add everyone's pronouns. If you don't see your name in 48 hours, please email us---neither of us are super techy, so please be gentle.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vrhUIsehzGV1DzyY1krPinJu5pK-kuEsSDbOilqzpmg/edit#gid=0
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CouldaBeenaContenda
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2015, 04:25:15 PM »

...S.r. Robinson and I are heading up a Preferred Pronouns Abbreviations spreadsheet glossary/dictionary/index (choose one) for the college debate community next year.
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mniermann
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2015, 06:12:59 PM »

Hmm?

Pronouns aren't abbreviations. I guess we can also call it a pronoun index, but I feel like ya'll know where I'm coming from.
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CouldaBeenaContenda
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2015, 06:24:20 PM »

According to the reference source that rendered The Encyclopedia Britannica irrelevant: "An acronym is an abbreviation formed from the initial components in a phrase or a word."  Maybe I don't get what your list includes.  I thought "AIR/Ask in round" and "PND/prefer not to disclose" were part of the substance of your list.  I didn't recommend using the term acronym to categorize them because I tend to confine its use for abbreviations that sound like spoken words, like NATO and LASER.

He, she, it?  We, you, they?  Maybe you can define, "we".

-E. Nelson Bridwell, Mad Magazine, circa 1958
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UNH assistant debate coach, 1980-1981
mniermann
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2015, 06:50:58 PM »

This seems somewhat unnecessary, but given your post history I'm not terribly shocked that you thought a comic was the best medium for what you had to say.

To be clear: the survey is for the gendered pronouns of your preference---we give the examples of she, they, and ver. There are several reasons why we're doing this, but it's mostly five-fold:

1. It's a way for people to avoid being misgendered (that is, being called a gender through pronouns or otherwise that someone does not accept as their own) by people who are genuinely not antagonistic, but just ignorant as to someone's pronoun of choice. This applies to debaters, coaches, and judges, and is not only in round but also out of round.

2. It is a level of accountability for those that, intentionally or not, consistently misgender others. Much like the wiki/case disclosure can check a topicality violation, the pronoun index is able to be cited in a round.

3. It is a way for debaters and judges to proactively learn about each other before an RFD in order to have the best post round discussions possible.

4. It is a way for debaters and coaches to proactively learn about each other to ease day to day coaching interactions.

5. It is a way for marginalized debaters, coaches, or judges---perhaps people who use "she" pronouns, or people who use "they" pronouns---to find each other and build communities and solidarity.

The abbreviations are to account for safety and fluidity, but the survey is overwhelmingly pronouns, not abbreviations.

We are obviously always looking for substantive constructive criticism, but hard pass on the comic strips.
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CouldaBeenaContenda
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2015, 07:55:06 PM »

As a person who shaves twice a day, I could only be misgendered by someone who mistook me for the Bearded Lady.  Over at Cross-ex.com, in a post I made several years ago in a thread that did not survive their message board software upgrade, I used the term, "Congressman", and some Libber there berated me for doing so, insisting that any erudite, post-neanderthal would surely know enough to say, "Congressperson", to impersonally and asexually denote such an office holder.  When I then asked her if she had played person-to-person defense in gym class, she had a hissy-fit, prompting me to discontinue my participation in that thread.  

Left hand on the Bible, right hand to God, I am certain that I have never in my life typed the four letters, LGBT, in sequence before composing this very sentence, not because of any prejudice I harbor, but because I simply have never had occasion to do so, and so in the spirit of this thread, which I obviously had failed to detect when I authored my initial "contribution" to it, I am now contemplating, also for the very first time, the implications of the fact that the "G" category actually encompasses the "L", which may lead to resentment between male "G"s who think they are being disfavored by their single inclusion in the acronym/abbreviation (again, chose one) and by "L"s, who might think that someone implicitly snubbed them by not recognizing their status as "G"s.  Since I'm not modern enough to have even begun using the title "Ms.", I will leave this discussion to those who are more attuned to your contemporary, "correctness" practices.
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Dover High School Debate Coach, 1970-1971
University of New Hampshire debate team, 1970 (when we still spoke like human beings)
University of New Hampshire debate team, 1980-1981 (and when we didn't)
UNH assistant debate coach, 1980-1981
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2015, 08:09:47 PM »

This forum deserves a better class of troll.
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CouldaBeenaContenda
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2015, 05:28:30 PM »

This forum deserves a better class of troll.

Oh no!  I've been called a troll by a guy with a girl's first name!



Uh, I mean, I've been called a troll by a girl with a guy's first name...



Uh, I mean, I mean, uh.. now I'm going to have to scrounge up an 8” auxiliary floppy drive to install my Lotus 1-2-3 spreadsheet program, because mniermann's spreadsheet won't run on Deskmate2, so until then, I'll just have to direct any retorts in the second person, because “you” is the Blue Nun of personal pronouns.  

I only knowingly correspond with one transsexual in my daily internet forays, a guy (oops, there I go again!) who owned a long since defunct, professional, user group forum; who had his transformation a few years back; and who now publicly participates in related, professional user group forums.  I haven't encountered any problems interacting with him/her there, but if I ever did commit a gender-related faux pas, I doubt he/she would be offended, because, in the words of Oliver Wendell Holmes, “Even a dog knows the difference between being kicked and being stumbled over”.  If I were ever again to judge a debate, I would expect the participants to be similarly understanding.
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Dover (New Hampshire) High School debate team, 1967-1970
Dover High School Debate Coach, 1970-1971
University of New Hampshire debate team, 1970 (when we still spoke like human beings)
University of New Hampshire debate team, 1980-1981 (and when we didn't)
UNH assistant debate coach, 1980-1981
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2015, 05:48:19 PM »

12.8 on the newly inflated scale
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Malgor
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2015, 05:54:22 PM »

pretty skeptical that there was ever a chance you could have been a contender. 
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matea.ivanovic
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2015, 12:31:12 PM »

Step 1: Correct someone's grammar/language choice even though everyone understood their intended message, use that correction to mock and discredit their position.
Step 2: Without the slightest trace of self awareness, accuse the other side of "correctness" policing and disregarding people's intentions.

I'd hate for this person to be further engaged, but I could never resist pointing out a d/t.


 
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