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 on: August 25, 2016, 04:39:58 PM 
Started by vguevara - Last post by vguevara
Just a quick reminder to our Mukai attendees.  The hotel block at the Courtyard Marriott closes on September 4th.  That's in 10 days.

Grab that $89 rate while you can. For that price, you can reserve your own wing of newly remodeled rooms.

After September 4th, you can expect those rates will move significantly.

You can find hotel information and the reservation portal at

 on: August 25, 2016, 12:51:29 PM 
Started by gabemurillo - Last post by gabemurillo

This is the part where I admit it may be that my experience is limited compared to others, but it seems like there are a couple unique things about the schedule the last couple years:

1) Pushes by different tournaments for "major national" status (expiremental)
2) Teams experimenting with different travel options
3) Regional alternatives being pushed for various reasons (adding Miami during the Texas Two Step and the Coast, Vermont offering an east coast alternative to Gonzaga, etc)
4) New Round Robins

Maybe its best said that there are a lot of uncertainties in travel schedule (who will go where, how big will certain tournaments be etc) that make this kind of unique from my perspective. And it's certainly been happening over the last few years, not exclusive to this year.


 on: August 25, 2016, 12:40:54 PM 
Started by gabemurillo - Last post by katerichey
This is a great idea, more info sharing for tournament scheduling coordination certainly couldn't hurt ---> "I would like to work with CEDA, ADA, NDT and tournament hosts in coordinating a travel schedule during either the ADA or CEDA’s summer meetings. This schedule may not provide us with the “major national” everyone wants, but could help organize a more robust regional travel schedule that helps coordinate teams planning to debate inside and outside of their region."

 on: August 25, 2016, 12:30:17 PM 
Started by gabemurillo - Last post by jonahfeldman
Gabe, can you say a little more about what you mean when you say we are in a time of experimentation and a unique time in tournament scheduling?

Having discussions oriented towards a more intentional and collectively agreed upon travel schedule is a great idea, thanks for pushing that

 on: August 25, 2016, 10:39:04 AM 
Started by gabemurillo - Last post by gabemurillo
I’ve been thinking about the debate travel schedule a lot over the last couple months. I will admit I don’t have the experience of a lot of my peers, but from my perspective it seems like our tournament schedule this year is unique. It feels like we are in a time of experimentation and I think it would be worthwhile to have a discussion about what we consider the best practices for tournament organization and scheduling.

A couple observations from my end:

1)   Should we move beyond the era of the “major national tournaments”? I sometimes feel like the goal of our tournament organization and scheduling is to make sure that we continue the model of 150+ team tournaments in limited locations that everyone goes to, but maybe it’s time to rethink that model. I understand the value of having everyone get together and debate each other. I certainly understand the value for the top 32 teams in the country. But is our pursuit of the “major national tournament” model ignoring the benefits of smaller tournaments for a majority of our students? Are we focusing too much on structuring an entire travel schedule around attempting the impossible of providing the correct amount of data to make first round voting entirely objective?  Is this model of tournament travel most productive for much needed regional development?
2)   We need more organization of schedule. There’s too many subgroups meeting to put together tournament schedules without communicating with one another. There are too many decisions about scheduling that are made in private and not through the public means of communication that are readily available. Tournaments should be considered a public good, and the organization of those tournaments should serve that purpose over all others. I would like to work with CEDA, ADA, NDT and tournament hosts in coordinating a travel schedule during either the ADA or CEDA’s summer meetings. This schedule may not provide us with the “major national” everyone wants, but could help organize a more robust regional travel schedule that helps coordinate teams planning to debate inside and outside of their region.

I think we are at a unique time in tournament scheduling. I think this experimental phase could be productive for debate across the country or could lead to division and be against the public good. With a concentrated effort to organize a travel schedule, and a commitment to view travel and schedule decisions as a balance between public good and financial realities I think we can achieve the former. I fear that continuation of current scheduling and travel decisions will guarantee the latter.

Thanks for reading,

 on: August 25, 2016, 04:50:08 AM 
Started by adam0702 - Last post by adam0702
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 on: August 24, 2016, 05:41:08 PM 
Started by lgarrett - Last post by lgarrett
If you know you are coming to the Clay we please ask you to enter an approximate number of teams (placeholder names are fine). We are trying to figure out if we need to secure additional classroom space.


 on: August 24, 2016, 02:08:40 PM 
Started by kelly young - Last post by sharris
With the passing this month of Michael Bear Byrant and Alfred Tuna Snyder, I feel as though there should be some heated debate on this forum. I fondly remember the first time Bear called me out on CEDA-L for giving his team a low point win. I rarely agreed with either Bear or Tuna, but I deeply respected their passion for this activity. I will miss my exchanges with both of them on CEDA-L and this forum, although the rest of you probably don't miss those exchanges as much. RIP Bear and Tuna.

As a new season begins I feel particularly sad in missing my friends Bear and Tuna. The three of us shared an office at Wayne State University in 1982-83 and the arguments in that office were both fierce and fun. Debating against Bear, coaching with him and being judged and coached by Tuna were memories that I will always treasure and are the kind of memories that make this activity the special place that it is.

 on: August 22, 2016, 10:23:57 AM 
Started by vguevara - Last post by vguevara
Mukai news:

1. We're waiving entry fees for the novice division. Entry fees include 2 breakfasts, 2 lunches and a dinner. Please consider bringing your argument and debate students. We have a wall of kids they can hang out with, we'll make sure the novices have fun and offer our same quality of awards.

2. We are adopting CEDA's Article IX, Section XIV at the Mukai. "New programs as defined in Article III Section I ...may receive a 50% reduction in...the entry fee." If you need clarification, please feel free to message me.

3. We're hustling to find judges. The exchange is open, but it's too small right now to solve. But don't let that stop you from entering teams, just send me a message that you you need/want judging and I will put you on a list. Priority goes to those that need over want. I am afraid we can't comp the judging, but we can help you find it. Also, if you are already judging, please consider judging an extra round or two (for pay, not for free).

4. Like last year, we can accommodate a limited number of folks in the tab room to shadow in order to diversify access to tabroom know how. Contact me and we'll make arrangements to schedule your access.

Lastly, today is the last day of an amazing Alaska Airlines summer sale. Flights in and out of SLC are on sale. Along with $89 rooms, rail access to downtown Ogden and complimentary tournament transportation, it should make a jaunt to Ogden very affordable. For more tournament information visit:

Have a great start to the new semester, all.

 on: August 20, 2016, 01:22:44 PM 
Started by paulmabrey - Last post by paulmabrey
Looking for debate and argumentation educators/coaches to help collect data on the the impact of argument education. This IRB approved research is for my dissertation but also to help contribute empirical research on the benefits of argument education. If interested, I would like you to administer a simple pre/post survey to the debaters on your squad and/or students in your argumentation class. Once at the beginning (work week, first week of class, whenever you begin) and once at the end of the fall semester.

The survey itself would take about 30 minutes to administer. All data would be kept anonymous. The instrument looks specifically at argumentation skills through written constructed response. I piloted this study in the spring, gathering evidence for reliability and validity. Debaters scored nearly a full standard deviation above the control group and debate across the curriculum intervention group. The small sample size of debaters (6), I believe, made it impossible to find statistical significance.
Please contact me if you are possibly interested or have questions. And for debate coaches, if you would like to gather other assessment data for your team, I would be happy to help with that too. CEDA worked on learning outcomes, assessment techniques, and other strategies to help programs with programatic assessment. Thanks!

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