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Open Topic -- Any issue / Re: George Ziegelmueller
« Last post by ceda on May 31, 2019, 05:23:32 AM »
Martin Osborn

May 21 at 2:45 PM
I looked everywhere for a particular photo that my friend Gabriel had brought to my attention years ago to make this post. The photo was of @George Ziegelmueller giving me a few kind words during an NDT. At this point I don't even remember which NDT but once upon a time I could have repeated the conversation 😂

Ziggy judged Mike Kearney and I many times. We had already resigned ourselves to low speaker points, which is I guess why we failed to notice the 26's and 27's. What we needed was a judge who would vote for anybody against anybody on the merits of the debate. Ben Warner and Eric Morris and Heather Walters all assured KO that Ziggy was a legit old school debate dino genius who gave negative fucks about "the list" and so naturally he became top 10 for life. If anybody ever told me they didn't like Ziggy as a judge, I would mentally mark that they didn't get it. We were so glad to know people who would vote with their mind in the moment. I wanna clarify here that he voted against us the majority of the time 😂 But he was up there alongside Ross and Ken when it came to making us feel like our effort was seen, and seen by a genius. He could read a room like nobody's business and was incredibly sharp. I remember one debate in the prelims at a regional tourney where Kearney's 1AR cracked the code on a NEG block (as happened frequently) and essentially ended the debate early. I was there to pick over the wreckage and pick up the speaker points in the 2AR (as happened frequently) but I didn't even have time to sit down before Ziggy said to the room, "I vote AFF. Any questions?" I looked at him and thought, you sick bastard. He was a real one, and I am grateful for him
Open Topic -- Any issue / Re: George Ziegelmueller
« Last post by ceda on May 31, 2019, 05:21:19 AM »
Katherine Lavelle

I still have nightmares of the shame George caused me on that 1AC (my excuse was I was driving the van and needed some sleep)! Thank you, Kelly for your wonderful tribute!
Open Topic -- Any issue / Re: George Ziegelmueller
« Last post by ceda on May 31, 2019, 05:20:49 AM »
Jacob Thompson
Thank you for such a beautiful tribute to George Kelly... Your contribution to continuing George's vision and legacy will not be forgotten.
Open Topic -- Any issue / Re: George Ziegelmueller
« Last post by ceda on May 31, 2019, 05:19:47 AM »
Kelly Young
May 21 at 12:33 PM
I've really struggled since Saturday to figure out what I want to say about George. I've started and deleted a half dozen posts so far. I have loved reading everyone's tributes. I'd like to create a memorial page on our team website and I'll ask for contributions and photos in the near future.

I came to WSU in 2001 to start my PhD program mostly because I wanted to learn from the best DoF in the nation how to run a quality program. What I got was a master course in learning about how to passionately advocate for students, care about the smallest of details because those details matter (e.g., fanning napkins, arranging the food table just right), and produce good people, who, hopefully sometimes, also happen to be good debaters and forensicators.

The George I will remember was hilarious and could dole out sarcasm as well as he could take it. To make George blush was both easy and really enjoyable. Jay Johnson was particular good at this. This George also was comically forgetful -- Jim Dutcher Jr, Ron Stevenson, and I were on constant cane and hat duty, as George left them behind everywhere we went. Once Ron had to frisk George for several minutes to find his car keys. At the SMS NDT, our coaching staff and several members of other teams were on their hands and knees in a large grassy area in pitch dark looking for van keys George dropped. No one complained, because it was George.

This George also had an unbelievable work ethic. For a man in his late sixties at the time, George would out work the rest of the coaching staff. I remember one evening where the entire coaching staff was in the office working with students from late morning until at least 11 pm. George was working with Dustin Greenwalt and Scott Jankowski's 1AC. As many people have noted already, there was no 1AC that George couldn't spend days revising. As I left for the night, I told George he should go home. He said he would. The next day I found out he stayed another 2-3 hours. That was George. The photo below represents what I knew to be the essence of George - hand under his chin, working hard on an argument or a draft 1AC.

The last thing I want to mention is that it was a true pleasure to work for and become friends with a walking legend. Dr. Ziegelmueller is a such a monumental force, but to everyone around him, he was George. He cared about everyone and he gave people more chances than most of them deserved at points, but usually that compassion and faith in people paid off.

George, it was an honor to know and work with you.
Open Topic -- Any issue / Re: George Ziegelmueller
« Last post by ceda on May 31, 2019, 05:11:37 AM »
Allan Louden
May 20 at 12:43 PM

This Saturday the community lost one of the pillars of intercollegiate debate, George Ziegelmueller. More importantly, we lost a friend and a beautiful human being. Among so many others, I personally thought of George as my mentor, the model of the values that should matter in our profession.

I was pleased when Bill William Ziegelmueller (and others) posted this picture of George, which if memory serves me right, I took during a Shirley tournament. It was always my favorite of George as a captured the "coach" who, when others relaxed, just kept on working, helping each person he encountered. The lovely Magnolia tree in the background of this picture, in front of Carswell Hall, is now in full bloom. I want to think the blossoms are in honor of George.

There are many memories of George's contributions. Among others, he authored the first two national Debate Developmental Conference books and it was a high honor to dedicate the third Developmental Conference, Navigating Opportunity, with 'George Ziegelmueller, honorary codirector, Wayne State University.' Throughout his long career, he remained at the very top of preferred judges, evidence of his fairness. judgment, and embrace of the community's diversity.

I also fondly remember when many years ago George brought young William P. Ziegelmueller, his son, to Winston for the obligatory college tour. It was always the highest compliment the George felt comfortable for Bill to attend Wake Forest. Still vivid in my memory was four years later how proud Papa George was when Bill achieved the first-round bid and reached the elimination rounds at the Trinity National Debate Tournament.

George's greatest legacy is not only his considerable debate achievements but rather the many coaches he produced and students he touched. George believed in people, and not just the privileged. He showed the way for so many, some who were 'lost souls' when they encountered his guidance. George's essential decency touched all who knew him. He was our model.
2019-2020 Topic Committee / Re: CEDA Summer Meetings Information
« Last post by Dinger on May 30, 2019, 01:28:30 PM »
Proposed Rule:

A. A novice is defined as an individual with:

- no more than 24 rounds of team policy debate at the high school or college level*

- no more than 50 rounds of debate in Lincoln Douglas, parliamentary, and policy debate

- no more than 100 rounds of debate in Public Forum

- Has never qualified to the Tournament of Champions in policy, Lincoln Douglas, or public forum.

*If a debater competes in no more than 24 rounds of team policy debate during his/her first year as a novice at the college level, they retain novice eligibility during their second academic year in debate. However, if debaters have more than 24 rounds of team policy debate during their first year at the college level but have not advanced to elimination rounds at two tournaments during that first year of novice eligibility they are entitled to a second year of eligibility until advancing to elimination rounds in two tournaments or upon completion of the second academic year.
CEDA News / 2019 Summer Business Meeting
« Last post by nryan on May 30, 2019, 11:28:18 AM »
Sorry for the delay we were working on tech issues.
2019-2020 Topic Committee / CEDA Summer Meetings Information
« Last post by Dinger on May 29, 2019, 12:45:44 PM »
Attached are the agenda, amendment and logistics for the meetings this weekend.
Open Topic -- Any issue / Re: George Ziegelmueller
« Last post by kelly young on May 29, 2019, 11:17:58 AM »


Please join us on Friday, June 28, 2019 at 3:00 p.m. in Schaver Music Recital Hall for a memorial celebration and reception in honor of distinguished professor of Communication and an internationally recognized debate educator at Wayne State University George Ziegelmueller.

A dinner (limited seting) will follow at Tierney Alumni House. Please see the attached invite for details and to RSVP.
Open Topic -- Any issue / George Ziegelmueller
« Last post by ceda on May 29, 2019, 09:35:57 AM »
Wayne State University College of Fine, Performing and Communication Arts
May 19 at 8:01 PM

We are very sad to report that distinguished professor of communication and internationally recognized debate educator, George William Ziegelmueller, passed away on May 18 in Chicago. George was a professor of communication and debate coach from 1957 to 2006 where he led Wayne State debaters to hundreds of championships in the college debate circuit. Under his direction, Wayne State was established as one of the most successful programs in the nation.

George Ziegelmueller was born on July 28, 1930 in Speedway City, Indiana and graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree from DePauw University in 1952. He earned his Master of Arts degree from Southern Illinois University in 1954, and a Doctor of Philosophy in Speech from Northwestern University in 1958.

He was an elder in the First Presbyterian Church, Royal Oak, Michigan; a member of the American Forensic Association (President and journal editor 1973-1978 and recipient of the Distinguished Member Award 1981); a member of the Speech Communication Association, Central States Communication Association (journal editor 1986-1988), Michigan Association of Speech Communication (President, Honorary life member), and Delta Sigma Rho-Tau Kappa Alpha (President, Distinguished Alumni Award recipient 1974). He was the recipient of the Alumni Service award from Wayne State University in 1983. He was named the 2000 Michigan Professor of the Year by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching and the Council for Advancement and Support of Education. His book Argumentation: Inquiry and Advocacy was considered the standard in the field.

During the 1999 National Debate Tournament, the George Ziegelmueller Award was created to recognize Professor Ziegelmueller for his over 30 years of excellent coaching, timeless commitment to the activity, and numerous contributions to the forensics community. The George Ziegelmueller Award is presented annually at the National Debate Tournament to a faculty member who has distinguished himself or herself in the communication profession while coaching teams to competitive success.

Professor Ziegelmueller was known for his deep commitment to his students, often providing personal support, and sometimes even paying their bills. Alumni fondly remember, and often cite, the "Five Ds" that George used to define the culture of his program and the expectations he had for his debaters:

-(No) Drugs and Alcohol - competitors are forbidden from consuming alcohol or illegal substances while at competition.
-Dress - students are expected to dress in a professional manner.
-Deodorant - Teams travel long distances in small vehicles. Participants were expected to practice appropriate hygiene
-Delivery - Students were encouraged to persuade and move their audiences with both the better argument and the best performance.
-Decorum - Students were expected to act as ambassadors of the university and the program.

"It's hard to overstate the impact George had on the debate community and on Wayne State," said Matthew Seeger, Dean of the College of Fine, Performing and Communication Arts, and former chair of the Department of Communication. "Generations of Wayne State students learned about the power of critical thinking, reasoned discourse, and principled argument from George. He was a supportive colleague and mentor, and an engaged and committed teacher who helped every student he touched. For 45 years, he was the face of Wayne State debate."

Arrangements for a celebration of his life are being planned for June 28 on the campus of Wayne State. Memorial contributions in his name may be made to the George Ziegelmueller Endowment for Forensics, Wayne State University, Detroit, MI 48202 or by visiting:
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